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Post by R33ce97 on Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:08 pm

I posted this on Thesamba already, but I have to post it here too.

I have a 1600dp with a 34 pict3 that I thought was on it's last leg, I would have to rev it through the roof or it would stall, even the slightest of hills would slow me down, sometimes a LOT, even once I got going it had no acceleration. But I did a compression test and got about 110 pounds on the first cylinder I tried,even with a low battery that turned it over very slow. I got to reading and then ordered a Bosch svda......WOW! It's like a different car! I don't feel like I'm going to die when I pull onto a busy road lol. It starts in first no problem with just a little gas and accelerates smoothly all through the rpm range. Little hills don't phase it and big hills only slow it a little bit. Anyone that is running a 009 and a carb that has a vacuum port, please, for the love of Volkswagen, get a BOSCH svda now! It's well worth it. Yeah sure, it's still a weak VW engine, but the difference is amazing. I can enjoy driving it and it doesn't feel like work.

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Post by fluxcap on Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:02 am

I guess I was just lucky.  I know that combo is supposed to be bad, but I ran a 009 with a 34pict3 on my 1776 for a few years and never had any real power struggles or "flat spots" that I always hear about.  The first carb was a brand new no name carb that had no modifications, and it worked fine.  But it developed a bad throttle bushing pretty quick so I got a rebuilt solex that had the rivet modification (making the hole in the butterfly plate much smaller), and it performed about the same.  I did eventually swap to a 034 svda distributor and while I did notice a slight difference, it wasn't that much.

I think it's really just a hit or miss issue.  009 clones and 34pict3s are made by a ton of different people and the quality and build specs can vary greatly.  Just have to cross your fingers and hope you get a good match if you try that combo.

I don't know much about carb jetting, so I always just ran what came with the carb, but the greatest noticeable improvement came from when I took the car over to Tanbugs, and he checked and rejetted the carb for me and that made more difference than anything.

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Post by R33ce97 on Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Hmm, I guess a lot of the problems with 009's is inconsistent quality. But an svda definitely won't hurt! lol. I think the timing might have been off a little with the 009 also. Idk but it runs great now.

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Post by Muffler Bearing on Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:28 pm

I had a problem with the combo I had. I just changed to a 30/31 and that's the only carb I run on any upright engine. My .02.
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Post by pwmcguire on Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:27 pm

009 definitely runs better with an h30/31, it still runs rich. 34 pict 3 and an 034 svda runs nice. I've had em all. I'm most happy with my 34 pic 3 and 034 svda
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Post by R33ce97 on Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:54 pm

I'm very happy with it now, it's still a small engine but now the power is adequate and not terrible. Drove about 60 miles in it today and guesstimated 25 mpg. I'll do a more accurate test when I fill it up but I'm happy with that too lol.

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Post by pwmcguire on Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:08 pm

yeah, your mileage will increase too. from like 10 miles a gallon to at least 20 miles a gallon
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Post by Grifspop on Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:30 pm

All of these Tiawanese/ Chinese/ Brazilian junk 009's behave different and advance different- Mad 
There were so many different vacuum advance distributors on VW engines that repair shops would stock the centrifugal advance 009 as a "catch-all" replacement that worked in most cases
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Post by ASBug on Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:34 am

I have a 019, and 010 that are supposed to be great. Gonna try them out on the 1500 sp I have in the ghia...
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Post by vw57drvr on Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:38 am

Ive had an 019 in my convertible for 6 years. Runs perfect. 009 = emergency kit spare. Nothing more.
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Post by ASBug on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:27 am

Is yours a SP or a DP? which carbie are you running with it.
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Post by R33ce97 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:41 am

I hate to use the 009 even for an emergency spare lol. I guess I'll put it in the tool box though.

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Post by bumblebuggy on Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:51 pm

I've been running the same 009 with a 34pict 3 for 15 years. No issues.
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Re: Ban 009's!!

Post by vw57drvr on Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:26 pm

@ ASbug I am running mine with a 1776 and dual kadrons. Before that the engine was a stock 1600 with 34pict.

@bumblebuggy The percent of people that are lucky is small. They can be 'made' to work, but its just not worth it. The curve is all wrong too.
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Post by R33ce97 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:49 pm

bumblebuggy wrote:I've been running the same 009 with a 34pict 3 for 15 years. No issues.

Have you ever tried an svda?

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Post by Jon65 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:21 pm

I have the H30/31 & 009 combo, and while I can feel a slight flat spot when I start to take off from a stand still, I haven't had any problems with mine.


ASBug wrote:I have a 019, and 010 that are supposed to be great. Gonna try them out on the 1500 sp I have in the ghia...

What carb are you running on the 1500?

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Post by vw57drvr on Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:59 pm

Again, you can make them work but it isn't doing your engine any favors. If its what you like thats great. I have an 019 and a mallory unilite. Both are superb and both have a purpose. The 019 is great in applications where its difficult to get a vacuum signal. Timing curve is right and is about as close to stock performance as you can get before vacuum. Stock svda will get your timing back right so your engine will last and run smooth and strong. Thats why vw engines had a vacuum advance past the mid 50's. They just worked better than the centrifugal only distributors of the 25 horse. Industrial engines had centrifugal only because they ran at a steady rpm. Most 009s wont hold a steady advance no matter what.
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Post by ASBug on Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:00 pm

John, I have the same 30/31.
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Post by Jon65 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:02 am

ASBug wrote:John, I have the same 30/31.

When you try out the 019, let me know what you think of it. I've heard that the H30/31 and a 019 are a good pair.

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Post by bumblebuggy on Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:31 pm

I might try an SVDA one day but I'm a fan of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Up until about 3 weeks ago, I've been a hard core daily driver of air cooled cars. Including delivering pizzas for several years in an air cooled bug. I've never had any adverse problems running this combo and never seen any evidence that it's hard on my engine. My dizzy has always been an American made 009 with a pertronix module. The one I'm running now is the second one I've owned in 15 years. The carb was on my bug when I bought it in the mid 90s and currently installed on the Jolly Rancher. It's never been rebuilt and currently pushing a 1776 down the road. Sometimes, when its cold, the flat spot is noticeable. Other than that it runs like a sewing machine. I work within my own experience and, until I get some problems, I will continue to use what works. This combo works well for me.
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Post by R33ce97 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:12 pm

Sound like it works for you, any idea what your rpm's have to be when starting out in 1st? Just curious.

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Post by pwmcguire on Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:48 pm

Woo Hoo, You got your thread locked on the samba Very Happy
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Post by bumblebuggy on Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:28 pm

R33ce97 wrote:Sound like it works for you, any idea what your rpm's have to be when starting out in 1st? Just curious.
1000 maybe? I can let the clutch out and go. When the outside air temps get low there is a flat spot.
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Post by Jon65 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:53 pm

pwmcguire wrote:Woo Hoo, You got your thread locked on the samba Very Happy

I don't see how it turned into that. All he was doing was commenting about how happy he was to get his car running great.

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Post by R33ce97 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:44 pm

bumblebuggy wrote:
R33ce97 wrote:Sound like it works for you, any idea what your rpm's have to be when starting out in 1st? Just curious.
1000 maybe? I can let the clutch out and go. When the outside air temps get low there is a flat spot.

Wow, sounds liked it works great. Glad it works for you!

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