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Post by tinnocker on Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:58 pm

I was in Wallyworld this week and picked up a pack of Fruit of the Loom underwear. "Made in Vietnam".

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Post by zabo on Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:43 pm

yea i dont go to tht place- too many jobs lost because of them
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Post by Bugman114 on Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:11 pm

I used to work at wal-mart, and let me tell ya, thats one horrible place. they don't pay you anything, they work the shit out of you, and expect you to, if you don't do all the extra shit they want, they will yell at you and it goes on your record as if you did something wrong, and they make sure and tell you at everychance that you are useless and can be replaced unless you do everything they tell you. Also, you could never move up, unless you suck ass all the time. All the managers are so far up the ass of their superiors, i doubt they know what the store actually looks like Laughing . They (managers) do everything in their power to ensure their managers are happy, it doesn't matter how bad they screw over the employees. I make sure everytime i go there, to break something on the shelf. But in the daily meetings they make sure to tell you that unions are bad for employees, and wal-mart, and you should never be in favor of any. Gee, i wonder why, maybe its cause a union would actually force them to treat employees like actual people.

Sorry, rant over. Cool
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Post by meinvw on Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:29 am

Well, I am on a fence to speak of. I do shop at wally world, and dare say on a regular basis. Mostly food, kids stuff, and a few odds and ends. But look at the alternatives, Target, Sears, JCpennys (note to follow on them), Belks, etc... They all sell the same stuff, most made in China just some are cheaper than the others. A lot of people go to target just because they are not "Supporting Wall-Mart" but they sell the same cheap crap just for a higher price. Check your labels, this is why for durable goods I look at a thrift store or local shop. My local Ace and True Value get as much buisness as wm for home repair needs as they do. This is supporting the local, but usually end up getting the same cheap made crap as wm sells.
So in a nutshell, its not where you buy it but what it is. WM sells a lot of stuff made in the US, but how many look that up? Sam Walton had a great buisness mind, and was an everyday guy. They did not really become the evil empire until his kids took over after his passing. When he ran it the stores were not open on sunday, did not sell beer/wine, and no tobbaco. They did fine but like other chains everybody was looking for what fit them best.
Heres the note for JC Penny, very high dollar merchandise, well made and worth the price, same way sears and roebuck used to be, but Mr Penny was a devout christian and when he started his company decided that instead of the usuall 10% tithing to his church he would give 90% of his money to the church and keep the 10% for himself. That included money from his buisness. Well still here, and running pretty strong even though he is long gone and the store has faded slowly to the masses.
Before you blame the stores look at what you buy, where its from, and what it supports. Not throwing stones I am as guilty as the next, but its us that buy from them and keep them going. It is getting harder to find american made any more. I have been looking for a pair of Doc-martins for awhile, guess what, no matter where you buy them now, all made in china now. So if wally world offers them for $50 and a local shop has them for $125 your damn right I am buying the $50 pair. Made by the same hands, shipped in the same container, why pay $75 more to pay for the advertisement to degrade wall mart? Plus the wm is the largest employer next to the goverment in GA, so support 5 employs that make the same wage, even less at a specialty store, or buy from wm that employees 90.
My best friend lives in a state capitol that does not have a wm, a Mcdonalds, starbucks, any chain store. They all buy from local merchants that carry the same stuff we all get for twice the price. Yeah it feels better, but most of the population are going out of state for the same stuff cheaper. So in mho its us not the stores that contine this downward spiral.
Another friend makes his own clothing from american made seconds.
Try buying from the local farmers market, thrift store, repair shop. And sticking with them, its more expensive but we have to support american made products vs just ragging wm. Enough people do this and it will bring our products down in price and increase availability.
It is a sacrifice, most who have met me probably look at me and say man, he should clean up and get some better clothes, well most of my clothes are thrift or american made repaired by my mother in law. Oh well , like I said its a sacrifice, you wanna stay trendy buy the china/viet/malaysia made clothes, but no matter where you buy them they are still not american made.
Looks like a long rant so I am done, hard to swallow but Wal-Mart is what caters to all our needs. Cannot change the store unless we change ourselves.............
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Re: Worse than China

Post by Damn-it Don on Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:52 pm



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Re: Worse than China

Post by 71_georgia_beetle on Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:29 pm

I get all my shit from Cambodia.
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Re: Worse than China

Post by meinvw on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:23 pm

71_georgia_beetle wrote:I get all my shit from Cambodia.
Only buy if "Its a holiday in Cambodia", youll all do what your told......

Any way kind of ironic we are pissing on imports when the whole jest of this site is dedicated to a non-us product. Albeit better quality but still...... Very Happy
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Re: Worse than China

Post by laith on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:36 pm

hey now...there are at least a couple of us on here that drive US made VW's.

Besides, "Made in USA" does not always mean what you think. And not just US cars with foreign parts. Do some reading on Saipan, the Northern Marianas and Jack Abramoff.
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Post by 71_georgia_beetle on Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:05 pm

You had me at Jack Abram Off! Shocked
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Post by meinvw on Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:56 pm

laith wrote:hey now...there are at least a couple of us on here that drive US made VW's.

Besides, "Made in USA" does not always mean what you think. And not just US cars with foreign parts. Do some reading on Saipan, the Northern Marianas and Jack Abramoff.
Oh yeah forgot about the PA VW plant. Totally understand the "Made in USA" label, I worked for Spings industries for years and we would bring in cloth and package it at our plant and it got a Union sticker as well as made in the US. Hondas, Bmws, toyotas are all made in the US now, most american cars have a good bit made overseas then brought here for assembly. Main point being just do your homework, companies are required to list foreign parts, just like they are now making food with point of origin stickers. Sounds like your listening vs just bitchen, how we all need to be!
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Re: Worse than China

Post by tinnocker on Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:59 pm

Sears ,Macy's and other high dollar department stores sell Fruit of the Loom. It seems all of yall are missing the point that I was trying to make.. Vietnam. We lost thousands of lives and a generation was devastated to stop Communism in that country, or they said that was the reason we were there. Communism is still there and now they are shipping there sweat shop shorts over here for us to wear and no one seems to care but me. Why were all those lives lost if nothing has changed and now we support them and put rice in their bowl. I will never buy Fruit of the Cong again. I guess in 40 years it will be Fruit of the Taliban!

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Post by 71_georgia_beetle on Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:26 pm

tinnocker wrote:Sears ,Macy's and other high dollar department stores sell Fruit of the Loom. It seems all of yall are missing the point that I was trying to make.. Vietnam. We lost thousands of lives and a generation was devastated to stop Communism in that country, or they said that was the reason we were there. Communism is still there and now they are shipping there sweat shop shorts over here for us to wear and no one seems to care but me. Why were all those lives lost if nothing has changed and now we support them and put rice in their bowl. I will never buy Fruit of the Cong again. I guess in 40 years it will be Fruit of the Taliban!
I get your point but 50,000 American lives were lost in the American Revolutionary War and we still consider Great Britain "our friends across the pond". 17,435 lost in the Mexican-American war and plenty of our business is there. 625,000 deaths in the Civil War and we are still friends with those from the north and west. 12 in the Korean expedition, 1,622 in the Spanish–American War, 2,930 in the Philippine–American War, 116,516 in WWI and we still drive German cars. 405,399 in WWII and 58,209 in the Vietnam War. We have had the American Revolutionary War, Quasi-War, Barbary Wars, Other actions against pirates, Northwest Indian War, War of 1812, First Seminole War, Black Hawk War, Second Seminole War, Mexican–American War, Third Seminole War, Civil War: total, Union, Confederate, Indian Wars, Korean expedition, Spanish–American War, Philippine–American War, Boxer Rebellion, Mexican Revolution, Occupation of Haiti, World War I, Northern Russian Expedition, American Expeditionary Force Siberia, China, US occupation of Nicaragua, World War II, China {Cold War}, Berlin Blockade, Korean War, Russia {Cold War}, China {Cold War}, Bay of Pigs Invasion, Vietnam War, Invasion of Dominican Republic, El Salvador Civil War,Beirut deployment, Persian Gulf escorts, Invasion of Grenada, Invasion of Panama, Gulf War 1990–1991, Somalia 1992–1993, Haiti 1994–1995, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo 1999,Afghanistan and Iraq War.

My point is that you are going to be hard pressed to find goods on lands where American lives were not lost, including our own. Your best bet is to buy Canadian...................except from the French-Canadian side.
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Re: Worse than China

Post by Bugman114 on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:31 pm

Wow. this topic got complicated as hell, lol.

I hope no one got angry with my post, but i wasn't really bashing on wal-mart, so much as i am the people who work for them. Back when sam walton was in charge, i do believe he had nothing but good intentions in mind. Its his money grubbing relatives who F@cked it up. And the policies and and stuff are just plain wrong. And i know its not just one store, as my mom worked for two stores, my bro worked for two, and i worked for one (all different stores), and at every single one, they all casually mention how you can easlily be replaced, and at all they expect you to work your ass off, and do things you aren't even supposed to do even by their rules.

for example, they, under no circumstance, want you to get any overtime. But they expect you to stay 1 to 3 hours over to finish your work, and then have you come in late the next day, or leave early the next day to compensate for that. and if you try to leave on time, they will yell at you, and you'll get a strike against you. But at the same time, when they ask you to come in late, it shows up on your record, as if you were not comming in on time, and for every three latenesses, it adds up to one "NO SHOW". this happended to my brother. on his review he had 6 latenesses and 2 "NO SHOWS". but when he went to the office, they got irritated at him for asking, and they told him it was already in the system and they couln't do anything about it, which we later found out it was a lie.

Also, another time, they were constantly making my bro leave late, and then come in late to make up for the time, but comming in so late, means he didn't have enough time to do his own work ,so thus having to leave late again. So he ended up with like 30 mins of overtime, even tho he told his manager about the overtime, and he told him to keep working. a few days later they come to him, saying in an angry threatening voice "Why do you have overtime, you know your not supposed to do any overtime". and he told them the story, but they were still irritated.

I can keep going on and on, and tell you countless other stories about how they screw you over. Would i ever work for them again? Hell no. Would i want anyone else getting f@#ked over by them? Of course not.
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Re: Worse than China

Post by meinvw on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:03 am

No hating on the posts there Bugman114, we have al had different experiences there. I to worked for them but did not experience the horrors I have heard from some. But I was in the oil/tires and it was pretty cut and dry. I will also give them credit on one point which is they promote from within. Everyone in the upper positions started out at the bottom. Most companys will hire from outside to get management in, my company is a prime example. They will not pull techs to fill positions but will hire in someone with 0 experience in our trade to lead us. Makes a lot of sense huh??

But back to the isues!
http://americanmadeyes.com/home.html
http://www.americansworking.com/
Just a few sites, you still need to do your homework to see if they are 100% or what the break down is and where its from.
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Post by 39coupe on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:29 am

I agree with tinnocker. I guess having someone you know or yourself personally effected by Vietnam may make a difference. My father was told to go there and fight, he did his job and came home to find other AMERICANS spitting in his face for doing his job. He didn't want to be there in the first place why spit in his face. It's taken years for our men and women who fought in Vietnam to get any recognition or support from this country. And now to smack him in the face again by trading with the same people he was sent there to fight against.


Scott you can quote the other wars but they all had a deeper meaning to them as far as defining our country. The civil war? The revolutionary war? Come on, there is no comparison, these were wars for our freedom. The civil war was our own doing, we didn't have an outside country come in here and fight for the south. The Vietnam war wasn't our war, it was Vietnam's civil war and we had no business getting involved in it.
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Post by laith on Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:02 am

39coupe wrote:I guess having someone you know or yourself personally effected by Vietnam may make a difference.

I think that you hit the nail on the head. Having had virtually no experience with Vietnam vets, Vietnam is to me just another Asian country.
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Post by Grifspop on Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:19 am

Why not buy the BEST quality product at the BEST price you can find, regardless of where it was produced? I tend to think globally, not locally, because some countries have riduculous cheap labor costs. Anyone ever try to purchase an American made VCR or DVD player? Good Luck!

I tend to purchase German VW parts when I can, because China, Brazil, Mexico, Taiwan and others produce garbage.

BTW, my dad spent 2 tours in Vietnam, but if the Fruit of the Loom underwear fits well, and is made well, and doesn't fall apart, I'll probably go to Wallyworld and buy some.
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